Ok, some of you may recall I've been thinking of a new pc. Well, my wife made it a lot easier by buying one from costco that I had my eye on. core2duo e8400, 4gb ram, 1gb geforce 8500 gt (not that I do gaming anymore, but the system came with halo2, which i guess is a popular game). haven't had a chance to mess with it too much, as i was replacing vista with xp yesterday, but so far so good. i loved my old hp, but with all the photo work i do now, its time has passed

also i just want to rile up the mac fanboys

What's that saying... oh thats right... "We all make mistakes"



I can't be too hard on ya.. I still use both.

It's nice to see a good old proud PC user. I love my dell. It's hott.

yay another PC user

dyslexic PC users untie!!

I use both but realized that my Mac was just collecting dust.. I only got it because they are sooo beautiful to look at but that's as far as it went for me & the love affair was soon over. I guess I'm a PC girl

I got a macbook lappy and I dunno what the fuss is all about really. I dont like no right click button, or you can't tap pad for clicking either.

I also dont like how when I select files on a mac it cant show me along the status bar what the files all add up to - helpful for burning DVDs

meh

go into your trackpad preferences in the system preferences and select it. You can also set the trackpad to right click if two fingers are on the pad when you click the button. Also don't forget about 2 finger scrolling, I couldn't live without that.

Ugh me too! I hated the no right-click mouse.. even though you can buy a PC mouse for it and use that instead. I read an article, that was quite funny, about a man who works in technical support and has met people who have never right-clicked before- didn't even know what the heck he was talking about. I hadn't thought of that, about how there's people who all they know is MAC, just like all I knew up until a few years ago was PC and when I first used the one click mac mouse I was so frustrated! lol

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read it here

yeah have 2 finger action setup - its just not the same!

What's a Mac? j/k congrats on the new box.

Okay first of all, just because our mouse doesn't have two buttons, doesn't mean that it doesn't have right mouse click. If you buy the mighty mouse, which comes with most Macs (a single top button mouse), it senses when you click left or right so, yes there is a right click. Or if you are on the track pad using the button, you can hold control and click to get right click. I don't understand all these people bashing the single click mouse...its like they are so ignorant to think that if the mouse doesnt have two separate buttons on the top of the mouse, then Apple decided it wasn't important and it is something that is not available on an Apple.

Second, I love Mac's, there operating system works great. Its fast, no strange error messages and its easy to navigate. The command key is much easier to reach while typing. Lets say you need to copy something. Instead of reaching your pinky way over to reach the Ctrl button on a PC, you press the Apple (command) key which is right next to the spacebar, so it is really easy to reach.

I am using a PC now for most of my work because I have one and my Laptop just doesn't have a big enough hard drive to edit 20 GB weddings at a time.

Cool, and congrats..

I'm sure you know this, and i posted this in another thread, but something I like to do on PC's is turn off Automatic Updates. You have 4GB of ram, so you shouldn't effect you as much, but anything useless that is saved is a good thing.

You can always turn it back on and do a manual update by hitting update.microsoft.com using Internet Explorer.

http://www.opensourcephoto.net/forum/index...st&p=364121

That will do a great job as a photo editing machine...It'll take in raw files, aid in quickly processing and outputting jpgs...what else you need?

But...since you are looking to "rile up the mac fanboys", i'll bite

While you were installing XP yesterday, I just turned on Apple's Address Book syncing with gmail contacts...took me 3 clicks, then I entered my email user name and password...plugged in my new iPhone, and in minutes all my contacts between gmail, apple address book and my iphone are all in sync. Whole process literally took 5 minutes.

This was the one feature I really liked about mobile me, having one contact list for everything, but having the contacts sync to gmail as a built in feature of the OS is really really nice, and eliminates the need for mobile me, at least for what I would get use out of. Yeah, there are third party apps that will do this with outlook or apple Address Book, but having it built in makes all the difference in the world, and I don't need to keep track of some other third party app that may or may not be doing what it should be.

I'm just saying that it was an amazingly easy and fast to set up and to get everything synced.

For anyone interested in doing this, you need a Mac obviously, and it only works if you have an iphone set to sync contacts to that mac.

Here's more info
http://googlemac.blogspot.com/2008/05/mac-...e-contacts.html

And FYI, when I did this I first got my Address Book contacts up to date with everything that was in gmail, then deleted all the gmail contacts...Then i set up the syncing and everything was uploaded back to gmail automaticlly.

Three things to keep in mind, and sorry about the hijacking, but this only syncs when you sync your iphone, and you may want to turn off the gmail feature which automaticlly creates new contacts based on who you frequently email. They have a very nice interface where they show you suggested contacts and you can promote suggested contacts into real contacts. The last thing is that all your Google Talk contacts will go away...you just need to add them back in from your contact list...that took me 15 seconds this morning.



Really? Interesting...Every time i use a windows laptop it annoys me that the 2 finger click doesn't produce a right click. For me, the 2 finger click is amazingly faster, and it took me about 5 minutes to get used to it and have it become second nature.

I'm not in front of a mac right now, so I can't test this, but what happens if you open up the file info window and then select multiple files? Does this do summing?

Can do that by selecting a file in finder then hitting command - I to pull up info...you can also right click, or click with 2 fingers on the track pad, then choose "Get Info"

As you select other files, that info window should update with whats selected, so selecting multiple should do what you are looking for, but I can't confirm this now...no macs here whatsoever.

Edit:
If you are only looking to burn DVD's, you can create a Burn Folder in finder. Then you just add files to that folder, and that folder should tell you what size it is. This will not actually move or copy files into that burn folder...it just creates a link to the original file. Then, once that burn folder it set up the way you want it, just burn it. Then you can just delete that folder.

All the magic sauce is in there...sometimes it's not all 100% intuitive, but it's all there for the most part.

I would respectfully disagree with turning off automatic updates (bit my tongue yesterday) unless you are confident in your ability to really keep up with when updates are released (2nd Tuesday of the month, I believe). Me, I have a hard time remembering to give my dog her monthly heartworm pill, and automatic updating has never taken over my computer (unless maybe it was actually installing something large, at which time it's understandable), so I leave mine on--although I like to see what is being installed so it just tells me when updates are available and I give the final approval.

Never owned a mac... I happen to have a love affair with Sony Vaio... Congrats!

yeah, regarding auto updates, i always have it turned off, i can update regularly on my own, i hate being reminded to do stuff.

anyway, i'm not that fanatical regarding OS's, I just find extremes interesting, which is why i wrote that i wanted to rile up the mac fanboys. we own a mac and i've used osx extensively, and it doesn't really add anything to MY experience that windows doesn't already do for me. if it works great for others, great, but windows does all that i need and the time spent tinkering isn't all that big of a deal, when i'd be sitting around watching tv anyway.

i reserve the right to change my stance in the future, unlike politicians lol

VISTA is like a passive-aggressive mother-in-law.

You have no choice - put up with the bull or there will be hell to pay.

Hre's my thoughts.

How many people switch from a PC to a Mac, and would NEVER switch back.

Then, how many people switch from a Mac to a PC????

Having used both, and knowing quite a few folks who have jumped on the Mac bandwagon, and are delighted they did, for me the Mac rules. It's not even a close race.

Just read that more Macs were shipped last quarter than ever, record profits, blah, blah, blah.

Screen quality, user friendliness, reliability, no crazy error messages, and no viruses. A no brainer don't you think?

By the way, I installed windows on my Mac so that I could output an application on both platforms. Within 48 hours I had 7 viruses in the windows system! Unbelievable.

Of course this will always be a big feud.

Hugh

My turn to rile up the Microsoft cool aid drinkers.

VISTA = windows ME version 2.0

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My avatar photo is a craptor (Maxtor) drive that ran windows xp for 21 minutes with no cover.. then I got bored and poured water on it to make it crash.

I'd consider myself mostly in the middle of the whole argument...PC's have their place and Macs have there place. As much as I may want one, I couldn't imagine using a mac in the office. I could make it work, but some things would be clunky and I would need to run vmware to get to excel at the very least.

I'm just pointing out all the little concrete examples as to why I prefer the mac at home, and I find new things every day that make that choice clearer and clearer for me...the whole experience with the contact syncing from above is something that I found yesterday and I thought I'd share.

Phil...Yes, you are 100% right when you say that windows can and will do anything you need it to do. It will run both lightroom and photoshop, and with that alone, managing and editing photos is nearly identical on both platforms...however, it does remind me of one of my favorite quotes that I came across again a few weeks ago when John Nack was the guest blogger on Scott Kelby's site, and thats "If I had asked my customers what they wanted, they would have said a faster horse." - Henry Ford

Here is the rest of the post, very interesting read.
http://www.scottkelby.com/blog/2008/archives/1641

So yes, PC's are fine. But if you reject macs because they don't have some feature that the PC has, maybe, just maybe, there is a totally different, yet better, simplier, more intuitive way. Also, if you believe that PC's can do everything you need it to do, you may be right, but there could be more out there that you are missing...easier, faster, better ways to do the same thing that may make your life that much easier and change the way to use a computer.

Take the example above where JDear was upset that macs don't show the total file size where he expected to see it when multiple files are selected, something useful to know when burning DVD's. We'll, apple has a better solution, and that is the concept of a Burn Folder, and it works perfectly and is very easy to use. It also lets you save the contents of that burn folder, so if you ever wanted to burn anohter copy, just find your burn folder and burn it again. Because that folder only contains links to the original files, they take up nearly 0 acutal space on your drive. I can think of countless examples of this.

Yes, the process and workflow are different, but thats a good thing, and once you find the new way, if you ever do, you never look back.

Sometimes its not that easy to find...my wife was very upset with launching apps on the new mac because the way she always does it was to go to the start menu -> all programs, parse the list which may or may not be sorted and run it. Then she discovered spotlight and never looked back.

Like the MacBook Pro screen quality? SO GOOD that some artists tired to start a CLASS ACTION LAW SUIT. Because Macbook pro LCD's can only do 8bit color.




How many people start taking heroin then never go back!?


Come on now. Mac's are trendy everyone wants to fit in and be trendy it's a good bit of pressure. And also mac market share still hasn't broken 10% so they're still very much niche products. It's a small userbase so of course they're all going to stick together and loudly proclaim support for their platform of choice.

Psst.. hey kid... want some candy?
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Look, I use both...currently I am on a Macbook with a Dell Optiplex 755 sitting next to me. The Macbook is hooked up to a 20" Apple Widescreen monitor and the Dell is hooked up to a 20" Dell Monitor.

The operating system is much easier to use on the Apple. For instance. I connect my Sony CF reader (its my work reader) to the Apple, it mounts and gives easy quick access on the desktop. I hook it up to the Dell, I have to go to My Computer just to see it. Small things like that make the difference to me.

Currently on my Macbook, I have 4 icons on my desktop that include the HD, the CF reader, my iPod and a folder of stuff I am working on. As for the PC, I have 12, My Computer, My Network Places, Recycle Bin, Mozilla, IE, TakeStock (work program), Dreamweaver 8, Dreamweaver CS3, PS CS2, ImageReady CS2, QuickTime and an excel spreadsheet.

In my dock on my Mac, I have my programs neatly stored...Finder, Dashboard, Mozilla, Safari, PS3, Bridge CS3, Lightroom, Mail, Word, Acrobat, Photomatix, Exif Viewer, Quicktime, iTunes, Senuti, Cyberduck, RBrowser, TextEdit, System Pref., Documents and Trash.....all of this is hidden until I roll my mouse to the bottom of the screen.

The program is better organized in my opinion. Plus navigation through Finder is much easier than navigation through windows explorer!!!!

Mike

I've used both mac and pc- so I can speak from experience

comparing going to mac to doing heroin is at best a poor comparison. Mac's are successful not just because they are trendy, but because they deliver in quality, usability, innovation, and longevity. Apple is going up against everyone else. How many other companies are included in "everyone else"- the fact that they have a 10% percent share is huge- that just means they are doing something right

Vista is a poor replication of an incredible operating system in Leopard- and it took Microsoft over a year to even get it to work right- yea xp works- but its how many years old? Apple is driving the computer industry with their innovation- thats why Microsoft is launching a multi-million dollar ad campaign to try and fight it- you don't spend millions of dollars fighting a company that only appeals to a niche audience.

Me too.


Good gawd you're no fun.


Well you need something to go with that iPod.


I've got running computers from before Mac made its first Apple. Quality & Longevity depends on manufacturing not brand. Innovation? Linux has done more innovation than Mac or Windows. Everybody Steals, no one has a "new Idea". Transparent windows? I had that back in 99. Usability is a personal thing really.


Relatively not literally. Relatively looks good. Literally makes you money.


No. Just no. Vista is not a clone of OSX and neither is OSX a clone of Vista, they both have similar base ideas (be pretty) however there are very many differences.


Bologna. The mobile device market, sure. The iPhone has a very novel and innovative UI design. OSX (leopard in particular) is just an evolution of what came before, not a totally new innovation. Everything is evolving, and if you want to see where new things and innovations really happen in computer UI watch the Compiz Fusion project and look at those features. Desktops on a cube (i hate that one), a layered workspaces, high quality zoom on any aspect ofyour desktop. That's where people are trying really new things.


Lol Because apple has spent any less on the "Get-a-Mac" campaign with Justin and Phil? Everyone advertises and everyone takes pot shots at whoever is getting in on their money.



And belive it or not I really don't hate apple. I just don't see a point in spending more money on hardware for just an OS and a cute hardware design. Is it a great technical feat, sure, will i ever buy one, not on your freaking life.

My 2 pesos:

Macs are great for those who are not inclined to tinker with a computer...ever! I hear Mac users boast on & on about how great their systems are, then whine, snivel & blame Intel when something actually breaks...then they have to take it to an expert to repair it. I much prefer to do it myself because I can.
Windows is made to work with a vast amount of hardware and driver configurations. Of course there will be hardware problems.
If MS were to build their own PC's, as Mac does, I expect they will work great. Just look at the X-box. (my assumption here as I never had one)
The argument about Macs being nearly virus proof is BS. Virus writers target the largest user base. As Mac users comprise roughly 6-10% of the user base, why would they bother targeting macs 9this is indeed a good reason to get a mac if your not a PC do-it-yourselfer)

I can build my own system with better specs than a mac for much less and I don't care that a mac looks much cooler.

If you know how to replace system hardware and can do a a reasonable amount of PC troubleshooting without peeing your pants, get a PC and buy Photoshop and Lightroom with the money you save. Otherwise, get a Mac.

That being said...does anyone here use Linux?

I get that there are people who love their macs and will never go back. To say that no one ever would... well, my brother faithfully purchased his two Macs for his degree (computer science from a small school called Dartmouth), then promptly sold them and went back to PCs. I know that those computer programmer types are unique (my brother sure is), but I can't believe he is the only one.

Dave, I think you make good points. My question has been this for a while: if MS lost a lawsuit because they bundled IE with their browser, how much more heat would they take if they took Apple's line and sold/supported their OS with only MS approved hardware? And conversely, where is the lawsuit against Apple for not allowing hardware vendors like HP/Dell/etc. to offer their OS as an option? What am I missing?

That's great that your Apple produced hardware syncs perfectly with their own machine. Will my Samsung phone sync just as easily? What if I don't want to buy an iPhone? (I'm stuck with iTunes and the ipod thanks to my husband but that's OK, I guess)

Lol, you must have missed my posts, lol. Ubuntu is my main os. Fully color managed and all. And Vista is my secondary where I do my Lightroom and heavy photoshop work. Gimp handles alot of my quick processing, and I'm about to start bugfixing RawStudio and maybe even adding some features if I have the time. I specifically do all of my image resizing properly with no gamma error.

I'm just saying that there is no way the Mac experience cant be written off as only for a niche audience anymore and that Microsoft wouldn't feel the need to spend that much to specifically target Apple if they hadn't had significant effect on their sales. Apple's profits are very impressive for a single company- more people are buying macs today than ever

In the end- we will use what we prefer- and have our opinions- and some will agree and some wont- its all good

Exactly...EXACTLY....it takes like 5 hours to get information transferred to a new PC, plus patches plus all the moving of settings plus bugging plus reinstalling apps, bla bla bla bla bla bla...How long did it take me to migrate to my new mac? 30 minutes and I did it with like 3 keystrokes.




You'll get used to and start to enjoy the two finger tap of love. And all of the new meeces have right click.








See, I used to argue vigorously for PCs until I got a Mac in October after 22 YEARS of being a PC user. I am ashamed for leading so many people astray. A week with the Mac and I was regretting having wasted so much time monkeying around with with Windows.

The reason I love it? I was a choir/theatre geek who hung out with debaters and speech nerds and if you saw my clothes you would know that being "hip" is the last reason I trumpet Mac. The systems JUST WORK.

Also, someone was talking about having to bring your system into an expert when it breaks? Well, the systems break down much less often and when they do, most fixes are available easily online from one source: Mac. That and I just had a laptop fail in the last month of its extended warranty and after tryign to fix it, Mac gave me a BRAND NEW Macbook Pro, let me upgrade it AND it has a new warranty which I am about to upgrade. Doh! So, customer service does play a small part.



PC is FORCED to deal with those other configs. Mac simply chooses the best hardware and configures their OS to handle that hardware brilliantly. PCs have this illusion of "choice" and "flexibility" but when it comes down to it, they really don't. It's just confusing and expensive...but I think you might be a gamer...right? In which case, PCs do win hands down, but I have a Playstation 3, so I don't need that durned PC anymore.I can build my own system with better specs than a mac for much less and I don't care that a mac looks much cooler.



Yeah, but you spend like how many hours rerigging and trouble shooting the damned hardware and software compatibilities? I used to love tinkering with my PC, but I just don't want to waste time and risk my data and hard work with incompatible hardware anymore. I would rather have a system which runs as advertised and where most compatibility problems are handled by MAc firmware and software updates.

By all means, enjoy your PC, but man...22 years of PC which I loved and I will never go back even if they make a PC which gives erotic massage, prints winning lotto tickets and cleans up after my dogs.

Is it not a very significant point that a Mac laptop ran Vista faster than ANY pc laptop on the market?

Surely the views of people why have ran, or run, both systems carry more weight? If you have only used a pc or only a mac how can you compare?

Did I see a post earlier about having to mess around to get Excel working? Did the latest Office not get released on the mac before it was released on the pc?

Anyway, I like knowing that if you buy a mac, whether it is in the U.S., Europe or Timbuktu, the hardware will be the same, to Apple's specs. But if you buy a pc, the internals can vary wildly from one reseller to another.

The MacBook pro, with its metal casing is a tough cookie. You should see our old Powerbook - it's been dropped three or four times, is now dented pretty badly, and still it runs.

Another point - put a 2 year old mac on ebay for sale, alongside a 2 year old pc, and see which one gets you more cash back!

The mac works out of the box, with graphics cards, applications, modem bluetooth etc already included. It has been proven that when you put the specs of a mac into a pc the price difference disappears. Dell's were found recently to be more expensive!

So, who will flame me next!

Hugh

This says it all!

Linux is innovative and cool but the people that I know that use it all could take apart a computer and put it back together- or program an application- can the average joe really set it all up and have it run perfectly?- if not, there's no way to market that yet and its not ready to compete in the mainstream yet

Sure people copy each other's ideas- there might be features in leopard that have been around for awhile- but geez- the whole package isnt a copy- put the same operating system on a phone- and its a revolution- but its just a copy on the computer?

No, Excel for mac is behind excel for PC...No comparison. For mac may be more recent, however, it doesn't compare to what has been around for years on the PC...Still catching up.

And no VB support for macros is a show stopper for where I work.

.[/quote]If I had the budget & time to learn a new OS, maybe I would switch, but this is not a pressing issue for me.I just think the fervor over one OS being "superior" to the other is BS. Use what works for you and live & let live.Can we all get along?[quote name='*B*r*y*c*e* L*e*o' post='364905' date='July 22 2008, 01:00 PM']Lol, you must have missed my posts, lol. Ubuntu is my main os. Fully color managed and all. And Vista is my secondary where I do my Lightroom and heavy photoshop work. Gimp handles alot of my quick processing, and I'm about to start bugfixing RawStudio and maybe even adding some features if I have the time. I specifically do all of my image resizing properly with no gamma error.[/quote


]Dude!PM me with how you get Ubuntu Color Managed!

Fully agreed. but I am looking/hoping/wishing that Linux does indeed become viable so I can dump windows and their ridiclous licensing fees...and to give both mac and windows some competition. However, i am not holding my breath until Adobe ports to Linux.

Like how they ran with the SHITE motorola chips for so long?? My friend has 2 macs and they have been down more than I have had hot dinners! Each time it comes back with a new fuzzy logic board and each time it goes back again...

I built my own PC and got an eizo screen... all for less than anything mac comparable. Id have this setup anyday over a mac - especially the screen.

You mean the PowerPC Processors like the G4 and G5 series? Funny, people have used them for YEARS without problems.... not to say that once in a while you'll get a defective computer but that's not to say that the entire line of processors is shit.Apple does choose their hardware wisely. They've made some not-so-great decisions in the bast but there's a reason they're going strong now.... the transition to Intel chips was a great turn (however I still own two PPC machines - a PowerMac G4 and PowerMac G5 Quad which both run great and I rely on them every day without question) and it is only getting better. PC manufacturers can only dream of building a system as well-balanced as most macs.And why pay for MS Office to begin with when you can get Neo Office?

have you ever come across Microsoft's Surface technology? Tell me where Apple is innovating this technology (and dont quote me an iphone! )

And why not the iPhone? Is Microsoft's best answer to the iPhone a bigass $10,000 table? And furthermore, who said touch technology has to define innovation?

Let's see....

There's the iPod.

There's iTunes.

There's the iPhone (Yep, I said it and there's no denying it.)

There's Mac OS X.

Need I say more?

Going back to an earlier post of mine, I said that you can only really make a comparison if you have used BOTH systems (or words to that effect)

Is that the case here? Or just what friends have said?

There is no point trying to exclude the iPhone - the fact is Apple have produced the best phone the world has ever seen - period! And it runs with the best OS ever seen. The same applied when the iPod arrived.

Microsoft? The Zune (was that even it's name, I really can't remember, it's effect was so whimpering)

No contest.

And by that let me clarify that what Hugh is saying is that you can really only make a comparison if you've USED both systems more than just seeing one in a store one time or another. I used PCs for years (built my first one when I was 13, and built custom PCs for people from the time I was 15-17) and I trashed on macs until one day after being in the photography biz for about a year I decided to give it a go. My PC QUICKLY slid to "secondary" status, and about three months later it was GONE. Not just because the mac was cool and trendy, but because I could actually for once be productive.

'Nuff said.

I have to add one more thing to this - Vista.

Vista (I believe it was previously code named Longorn) was an operating system 8 years in the making. 8 Years! A lifetime in computer terms. And when it arrives to market, it performs so badly that people start downgrading to an OLD system called XP.

Then the big three manufacturers ask Microsoft if the can go back to shipping XP with their computers. A spectacular slap in the face for Microsoft.

One question. How can a company as powerful as Microsoft spend 8 years creating an OS that fails to work? I find it incredible to say the least.

In the meantime, Mac users enjoyed Tiger, Panther, then Leopard (I think that was the order of releases, maybe not), with any minor issues very quickly updated.

Anyone want to explain away the Vista fiasco?

Actually, this very short video will give Mac users a taste of the frustrations suffered by Windows users. This is VERY funny. Check It Out!

I've never had any problems with a Logic board and I am on my fourth apple- I had a one hard drive failure in seven years-- but that was because I dropped it- and one cd drive failure- which was fixed under warranty free of charge. My apple systems have lasted and continued to be excellent. Most of them I sold for much more than half of what I paid after two years had passed- try doing that with a PC

Trends go in and out- if the mac was just a trend- it would have died out a long time ago- like I said- Apple has more customers that ever- and I don't see Apple going anywhere

The Apple experience speaks for itself

I've been hearing some rumbling from technology quarters that investors and scientists are encouraging Windows to simply reboot their entire operating system and start from scratch. Mac did it not too long ago and it accounts for the three fold increase in their market share as well as a new emphasis on creating a stable, flexible OS which shed a lot of the baggage from trying to hold on to features and backwards compatibility.

I would LOVE to see Microsoft phase out Windows entirely and just start fresh. If they don't they are going to continue to lose market share as Apple continues to dominate innovation and design. 10 percent isn't much of the current market, but Windows users are flocking toward Apple now through a combination of smart advertising, powerful word of mouth of their current users, iPod sales and a deserved reputation for stability and getting just about everything the average user needs to function without having to tweak, push, pull, wrangle, virus check, patch, kick or cajole their system. I know some people like doing all of that and feeling like they have control over their system, but it's honestly a false sense of control.

It takes half a day just to get a new computer running up to speed when using a new PC. HALF A WORKING DAY LOST! Again with the help of Time Machine I was able to get TWO new computers up and running with minimal hassle in a half an hour each without having to click more than three keystrokes.

How much is your time worth? How many hours? If you want to save time and have a system which will reliably run your operating system for 5 or more year, go Mac. Or you can go PC. There really is not benefit other than succumbing to old-fashioned stubbornness. (hee heee)

So do mine. I haven't run anti-virus on my home xp box in atleast 3 years.


Mac chooses the best bang for the buck. You can always buy upgraded PC
gear quicker than anything else. Look at the MBP's the chipset and
processor is 1 gen(eration) old. I can get a dell with the newest gen.


Marketing gimmick and totaly sneaky. It was the fastest that ONE
particular reviews site had reviewed up to that particular date. It
was very quickly dethroned and frankly, they don't test the
high-performance laptop systems too much. That was also before they
tested the crop of Alienware pc's that came out shortly after.



I've used both quite alot. And seriously Maya crashes more on a Mac
than on a PC.


Supply and demand. Very very small supply and a relatively large
demand of people who want to buy a mac for cheap.



Ohhh you must mean this article. Apple is killing the business workstation for consumers, seriously the Mac Pro is the best deal out there. I took a quick look and there's nothing that competes becuase the Mac Pro comes to 2799 with TWO quadcore processors. The problem could be that the Mac Pro is using an older style processor which is available for cheaper, but i'd have to open on up to see. This is a seriously impressive deal, and it makes sense. They are the goto brand for workstation power in an easily accessable package. Dell and Lenovo (IBM) don't even come close price wise.

However, sadly you can get 80% of the performance for about 1/2 the price. For me that's what I'd go for. But there is no denying the facts, Mac Pro workstation is the cheapest workstaiton, period. If someone can find facts against that I'm all ears.

And with the All-in-One's (like the iMac) dell is fairly well price competetive, the other companies don't have the history with this and it naturally costs more because of production etc. I did a cursory look and didn't find anything, if someone does again, let me know.

However, Apple does not have a regular desktop offering. That's not their style.

Sadly though the laptops are overpriced. There's no denying that one. The laptops don't get updated/refreshed with the newest generation components as often as those from dell/lenovo/hp etc. They have been selling these in spades for years they have a history with that, that gives them an enormous advantage.

You had better knock on wood. Honestly, that’s just not smart, no offense intended.



The major problem in your assertion here is that Windows does not use the hardware optimally. It simply can’t. There is a bottleneck in Windows’ ability to coordinate those faster components because it has to make itself work under an exponentially massive variety of hardware combinations. These mismatches run into very basic conflicts with one another and the software is forced to compensate for those issues rather than focus on the task at hand. Every patch and update may fix the problem in front of you, but there is a cascading effect that causes even more conflicts with other software and hardware. It’s like having the fastest car on a dirt track. Even a stock car with two-year-old tech is going to run faster on a clean track, require less maintenance and be less prone to breakdowns than the highest tech car where the parts are a millimeter off here and there, running on a jagged track of an OS which is littered with sharp little viruses.



Wow…I just bought a Mac Pro and it feels like a desktop to me. I am not sure what you mean by “regular desktop”...oh you mean a budget desktop? It’s called a “Used Mac.” See, that’s how this works. If you want a cheaper Mac, you go buy one used. In most cases, it will still run the current OS beautifully, you can always replace parts easily as they are readily available and cheap and again, the Mac OS is going to run SMOOOTHLY because it isn’t dependant on hardware upgrades to stay operational. I was running my 3-year-old g4 laptop and it ran Leopard like a song. It only slowed down when I was running a bunch of programs.

Additionally, the upgrades and maintenance require little or no technical knowledge of the system and run themselves. There is little or no flexibility offered in a PC which isn’t available and more stable on a Mac. Other than games and some corporate business applications, there are few things which a PC does better than a Mac.



Again, you aren’t just buying the physical components of the system. You are buying a hardware platform for an OS. The hardware options’ “limitations” as you see them are the greatest strength in a Mac. The new systems come out every year and a half or so. Why does it take “so long?” Because they wait until they have it right. They don’t keep arbitrarily pushing junk out the door just to feed our hunger to beef up our systems.

Seriously, I used PCs for 22 years. I built my own system several times, used Dells and actively resisted using a Mac for a long time. A month after I started using one, I can’t come up with a reason, especially for a photographer, to be using anything other than a Mac. This isn’t a religious conversion based on a leap of faith. It is based on thousands of hours using both types of machines. There honestly is no comparison.

Oh and I just added RAM to my Mac Pro desktop. Hahaha. That was actually fun. I opened up the side panel and there were hieroglyphics telling me how to do it. Everything was easy to get at. I didn’t have to fight through tangles of wires. It’s just clean and beautiful.

So, feel free to keep using your PC. But don’t treat Mac users like they are just crazy zealots who drank the koolaid. The machines just work better. I don’t know what other response you’d expect people to have in that situation. Come, Bryce…come to the light…hahahahaa…..muhahahahaa….muhahahahaaahahahaaaaaaaa….

Yup - 99% linux here now.

Ubuntu, Bibble Pro for RAW conversion (my gawd it's so much faster than lightroom, it's not even funny - plus noise ninja and REAL sharpening built right in!), PS with wine. The only thing I go back to a windows box for is album design (hard to beat fotofusion for speed and ease of use). I've played with Scribus, but it just doesn't seem to flow well for me. I don't like doing designs in PS anymore either.

You use linux?

Shan

Lol knock on wood? That implies luck. I don't need antivirus. I don't download funky attachments, use terribly abuses software (internet explorer and outlook for example). I can remove virus/rootkit/trojan manually. I'm not a "user" I'm a developer and an administrator.



You do realize you just mixed together, hardware only, driver, OS, and Software intracities all into one problem with a fair few.... unique... analogys. I don't even know where to start. If you have a clean windows system vs a clean mac system you're coming down to two things. How the application is compiled and optomized for the OS. With Windows you have added overhead from the sheer number of other processes running and with OSX you have overhead on any system access because it's a microkernel not a macrokernel. You make the hardware faster/better it will run faster. It's fairly consistent reproduceable and provides solid results. Give me some facts, some figures, some benchmarks of image processor, or some other adobe software.


Lol. You're serious? A Mac Pro is a Workstation. It's a different classification than a desktop PC. Desktop PC's come with different components, as a simple example Xeon processors vs Core 2 processors. Come on Mr. Technical , you should know the difference on this one. For Dell, Dimensions/Optiplex lines are Desktops, and Prescisions are workstations, usually sold for engineering and similar tasks.


Just like windows update, yes, i've used both.


Duh, anyone who argued otherwise would be blind and fooling themselves!


Who said limitations? Not me. Though it is an accurate word, as limitation is "a principle that limits the extent of something" for example, the extent of hardware offered with mac comptuters is limited.


Who said that? All I really said was that they updated hardware offerings, of their laptops in particular, less than often than PC manufactures. Simple fact.


I run a G4 mac at home, i've spent countless hours using g5's and Seriously I think you're full of bunk. That's why it's an opinion.


You opened a modern PC recently? It's pretty darn similar.


.... You do realize you just got passionately inflamed about me going over nothing but facts? I even praised mac where it was due and was critical where it is warranted. If people want to use mac that's great. But there's no burning need for those who haven't switched to switch. If you're happy where you're at don't switch.

Simply put, they just work beautifully.

Sorry mate, but there is a right button. Is just a set up in preference. and all you have to to do is to put two finger tips in the pad and click.

For the second question... just select get info and you will find everything you need to know about the folder and it's content.

Anyway, use Toast to burn CD/DVD.

It is a matter of learning how to do things. Sometime they are just label different, sometime is a different step. For example, when you are going to delete a folder or a file within a folder. hitting the delete key is not enough. You either have to drag the folder/file to the trash or press the command-delete keys at the same time.

YOu will not see the difference between a MAC and a PC until you have work on a MAC... I mean, really work with PS and other software at the same time (multi-tasking)... for a while )few month will do it) and then go back to a PC and try t do the same. You will be hit you hard and scratch your head on why you had to put up with Microsoft way of doing thing for so long.

At least you won't be singing the Vista Blues.