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Barefoot-Memories
QUOTE(bobbyearle @ May 20 2008, 07:23 PM) *
I don't understand it all, but I think that it's my server - NOT bludomain. I really hope it's just a coincidence. I'll be sure to update as I don't want anyone thinking blu did something if they didn't.

Bobby

Oh, and the last to access was about 4pm PST, according to statcounter. I can't access anything other than that (not even my cpanel).


cool.
better safe than sorry!

What's sad is that such suspicions even come up and that they're valid concerns.
bobbyearle
BLUDOMAIN DID NOTHING - IT WAS MY SERVER.

Barefoot-Memories
QUOTE(bobbyearle @ May 20 2008, 08:04 PM) *
BLUDOMAIN DID NOTHING - IT WAS MY SERVER.


thanks for the update!

I'm glad!!!
LoriWo
While it's admirable to chalk up the service outage to "shit happens", it's also incredibly naive. Take into consideration that if you fail to fulfill a contractual obligation to your customer (e.g. posting their images, fuflilling their orders, etc.) as a result of Blu's failure to meet their contractual obligations to you - your customer won't go after Blu for damages, they will go after you and your business.

I recently filed a complaint against BluDomain with the Better Business Bureau for failure to deliver goods and services in accordance with contractual terms of service. While I have doubts this will make a significant change in their business practices, there will be a record of the complaint on file at the www.bbb.org web site for anyone who does some research and a record to protect my own business interests.
Sandra
QUOTE(LoriWo @ May 20 2008, 09:31 PM) *
I recently filed a complaint against BluDomain with the Better Business Bureau for failure to deliver goods and services in accordance with contractual terms of service. While I have doubts this will make a significant change in their business practices, there will be a record of the complaint on file at the www.bbb.org web site for anyone who does some research and a record to protect my own business interests.


I'm glad to hear that!! I did the same thing about a year ago - of course they ignored it and didn't bother to respond to it. I encourage anyone else who has also had an unresolved issue to do the same. I hope it helps someone out there who is trying to make a decision to use this deplorable company. You can view their current file here. , and the many many complaints on it.
Cookie Monster
QUOTE(Parris @ May 20 2008, 05:15 PM) *
I thought huevos meant eggs??? Cojones looks seems way more macho. lol. Eggs are for Blu Domain and those other scallywags, El DJ tiene Cojones grandes...muy grande ahahaha. My spanish is like whoa!


It does mean eggs. Where I grew up though it was slang for...well.. you know.

smile.gif

~rc
bptran
My site is down. I was told that there is server maintenance going on, nothing has been said about anything being deleted or lost. Who knows.
Cookie Monster
QUOTE(bptran @ May 23 2008, 12:34 PM) *
My site is down. I was told that there is server maintenance going on, nothing has been said about anything being deleted or lost. Who knows.



Mine is down now too!

~rc
DanG
crap. mine is gone. after being w/o email or slideshows all day, i finally thought things were back up and running, well at least my email and slideshows were, but my site was a big fat blank.

and i just got one of the "sorry but your site is gone" emails. ugh.
the real tami
QUOTE(DanG @ May 24 2008, 07:05 AM) *
crap. mine is gone. after being w/o email or slideshows all day, i finally thought things were back up and running, well at least my email and slideshows were, but my site was a big fat blank.

and i just got one of the "sorry but your site is gone" emails. ugh.



really? oh well, upgrade all you want on their ticket - i would add as much as i could free per their 'i'm sorry we lost yoru site' emails....

if you wanted a new template, now is the time!
Rockie
QUOTE(davidjay @ May 19 2008, 06:59 PM) *
First off I'm sorry for everyone who's going through this. I've had a host split on me and lost everything and it was one of the worst experiences of my life.As a way to help out and offer relief for those who's sites are gone we are considering opening up our service early for ONE DOLLAR a month for three months until you can get through the wedding season and make a decision on what you'd like to do for your website.Showit Sites is still in beta but sites can be made very quickly and we use Amazon S3 for our hosting so we have everything stored and backed up in two places on separate sides of the country so you know that even if a natural disaster happened your data and your business will be safe with us.Post up here or email me directly if you're needing to get your site up asap.All the best,DJhttp://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/Opensourcep...ur-website.html
Like others.. my site is perfectly fine. However in saying that.. the reason it is fine is because I don't have Blu domain host my site. I have my own hosting company host it, so I don't have any problems at all. Just a thought for those of you who are having Blu host your site... find a reliable hosting servor to host it for you instead. My sites have worked perfectly fine so far and I have purchased 3 templates from them. cheers, Rockie
bobbyearle
QUOTE(DanG @ May 23 2008, 11:05 PM) *
crap. mine is gone. after being w/o email or slideshows all day, i finally thought things were back up and running, well at least my email and slideshows were, but my site was a big fat blank.

and i just got one of the "sorry but your site is gone" emails. ugh.

So you're saying that AFTER blu lost some people's sites, they lost more again? Or was this in the same initial problem? If this happened again, people should post all over the place about it. That's just insane.
Terri
Blu's blog states that there was a power outage somewhere that has caused the newest problems. They don't talk about the "accident" they had with deleting sites and the backups. Its a power outage in Florida????? They also say that once everything is 100% up and running they will delete the blog post because they want to focus on positive energy.

Lightning struck them TWICE in the same few days?!?!?!? That's pretty amazing. blink.gif ohmy.gif

I have a Blu site, but host elsewhere. Someone mentioned it didn't matter if you host elsewhere because (and I don't understand the IT part, hence the reason I have a blu site), even if you host elsewhere they still have some hold on the code that drives the site?? Is that correct?
DanG
QUOTE(bobbyearle @ May 24 2008, 04:29 AM) *
So you're saying that AFTER blu lost some people's sites, they lost more again? Or was this in the same initial problem? If this happened again, people should post all over the place about it. That's just insane.


I never heard about the initial problem, but apparently that happened a few days before I lost mine.
JimCook
From the bludomain website....

QUOTE
BLUDOMAIN NEWS

10:45 HOORAY all servers back up again. This is the worst roller coaster ride in history! We are camping out at BLU headquarters until we have are 100% confident that the outage is over. Thank you for hanging with us through this crazy day and trust that we are here all night in case Florida's storm is not over.

Once we have 12 hours with NO servers down then this POST is GONE. One thing we hate at BLU is negative energy. So read it because shortly we will announce the NEXT BLU PHOTOGRAPHER OF THE YEAR and forget this ever happened! If you are up ... hello!

8:30 PM The servers all went down for about a half hour and now just a few are down. We have found out 4 well known hosting companies in Florida are down also. Everyone is being affected. We are going to be here all night so please do not panic unfortunately this power outage issue is causing some major issues today. Please email us at info@bludomain.com if you need us at the moment.
Here is another hosting company going through the same power outage as us www.surpasshosting.com

GOOD NEWS - the issue is rectified- we have tested every server and everyone is back and up running smoothly. We will keep two people at work through the night to ensure the outage is indeed done. We can't thank you enough for your patience and the kind emails. It really felt like a whole community of teamwork today and that is the best feeling in the world. Seriously thank you for being so kind and patient!

From our hosting company

** Keep in mind only a few servers are still effected and the rest are running smoothly.

At approximately 8 A.M. EST a segment of our data center experienced a power outage. Shortly after that we realized the city had experienced a power outage as well which attributed to the loss we saw in the NOC. We immediately went into generator power and we are still currently running on generator.

What happens when there is power loss is that we immediately go into UPS for a few minutes meanwhile the generator powers up. The UPS ensures no service disruption meanwhile the generator turns on. This happened normally but approximately 40% of the servers tripped during this process. Power loss and going into UPS followed by generator power has happened a few times in the past. But we have never experienced what has happened today - the power surge during this outage was extremely high.

We are meeting with our electrical engineers as we speak to analyze the situation to learn exactly what happened. We still have the data center running on generator as the power in the city could still be unstable and we do not want to risk any further outages. As many of you know these kind of issues do not happen often and we are taking this incident very seriously. The data center is equipped with a high level of UPS and generators are in place to ensure maximum uptime. We apologize for the inconveniences as we know this has effected a lot of you and your clients.

NEW UPDATE - there appear to be some areas of power loss ongoing in the area that our server providers are located. Most of the servers are up and running but some are still experiencing the effects - including our blusupport server. IT appears phone lines are down too. Unfortunately we are at the mercy of the technicians working on this but we are acutely aware of the situation and will do all we can to expedite things. We are very sorry for the continued inconvenience. Rest assured that there is no loss of data - this is strictly a power issue and no loss of data will occur. As we hear more we will be posting it here.


NEW UPDATE- our blusupport.com and our own template ordering page and server 3 are still down and those are the FINAL servers being updated. Thank you for your patience. Every other server is back up and running smoothly.

As noted on our BLOG at midnight all servers were going to be updated through out the night. A process that needed to be done. The update was to be done by 5 AM this morning. Each server done one at a time to ensure minimal downtime.

We have just been told that between 5-7 AM our hosting company had a NETWORK power outage. We are not sure when that happened because we were under the assumption a few servers had not finished updating.
There are two final servers now being finished and we are told they will be back online momentarily. We are sorry for any inconveniences. We are also told we will get a detailed report of the updates so that we can see why a few of the servers took longer. This also included our own server being updated. BLUSUPPORT.COM is last on the list for updates and will be up shortly.

Almost every server was back online around 7 AM. Thank you for your patience.

Please email us at bludomain@gmail.com


The good: They kept everyone informed as to their status. They were diligently trying to get things back up. It wasn't any direct screw-up on their part.

The bad: It appears that they are using a hosting service that isn't capable (yes I know they had batter backups and power generators, but they didn't work) of handling power outages reliably.

The ugly: They are going to sweep this under the carpet by deleting their blog post...
the real tami
crapola. i just wanted a new, free website template out of the deal..... ph34r.gif
CJW
QUOTE(Barefoot-Memories @ May 20 2008, 12:43 AM) *
I hope they're implementing a BACKUP system... what a thought.


hoping too???? They don't have one????? WOW
Scott Brown
QUOTE(JimCook @ May 24 2008, 05:23 AM) *
The bad: It appears that they are using a hosting service that isn't capable (yes I know they had batter backups and power generators, but they didn't work) of handling power outages reliably.



I agree - it sounds like the datacenter where they are located isn't very redundent. The one in Portland, OR that I do consulting at has multiple generators that feed the whole building, and multiple LARGE UPS battery systems. Each rack is fed with dual power feeds, basically - the whole city could lose power, and one of the buildings internal generators could fail, and every server could be kept online... The building is on the priority fuel refill loop, right up there with hospitals, etc... so in case of a long term outage, they will be able to run the generators for a long time. And these power systems are tested and monitored on a regular basis, so when something goes wrong, they work...


And as I understand it, there are other datacenters with far better power systems than this one... I personally wouldn't trust my data at a FLORIDA datacenter... they have a history of some fairly bad hurricanes...
the real tami
i was very happy wtih the way they handled contacting their clients - as far as answering emails - although i didnt realize my email was down for several hours because i manage my own email - however, i am not happy wtih the fact htey are deleting all this off their blog.

it happened. we were all witness to it. dont act like it didnt.
bptran
My site is back up. When I emailed them about it they got back to me pretty quickly. smile.gif
Chris Mathews
I am sorry this is happening to all of you, it seems to happen more and more that these companies fail to do the one responsibility they have.
C.Steele
I'm trying to check out Show It Sites and I'm stuck. I get to the part where it says "An email with a confirmation number has been sent..." But no Email has appeared (this was yesterday). I have no spam blockers on or anything like that.

I have a Blu site and although mine was not affected, their complete lack of communication along the way has always had me frustrated. I sent an Email over 3 weeks ago that has never been answered and it was a serious concern I had.

I'd love to check out Show It. Can anyone help me out here? I even tried un-installing and re-installing it an it just skipped to the part where I had to enter the confirmation number again. huh.gif

Chris
davidjay
QUOTE(C.Steele @ May 26 2008, 12:41 PM) *
I'm trying to check out Show It Sites and I'm stuck. I get to the part where it says "An email with a confirmation number has been sent..." But no Email has appeared (this was yesterday). I have no spam blockers on or anything like that.

I have a Blu site and although mine was not affected, their complete lack of communication along the way has always had me frustrated. I sent an Email over 3 weeks ago that has never been answered and it was a serious concern I had.

I'd love to check out Show It. Can anyone help me out here? I even tried un-installing and re-installing it an it just skipped to the part where I had to enter the confirmation number again. huh.gif

Chris

Hey Chris smile.gif

Sometimes the emails get caught even before they hit your mail server b/c certain web hosts have their own filters...if you have another email address give that a try and it should come there and it's really important that we confirm that you can get our emails otherwise we won't be able to communicate with you in the future.

Rock on!
DJ
Shane Snider
Since Showit sites doesn't seem to be working for you, Chris... I have the deal of a century! Join SHANESITES now, and I'll give you free car! These prices are INSANE! Act now, and I'll even wash your SHANESITES car for free for a whole year. I'm really sorry that Showit Site's email is not working, but I can promise our email will NEVER, EVER be down.

Is this really what we're getting back to in the business world? Barracudas...

Shame, shame, dj.



QUOTE(davidjay @ May 26 2008, 12:09 PM) *
Hey Chris smile.gif

Sometimes the emails get caught even before they hit your mail server b/c certain web hosts have their own filters...if you have another email address give that a try and it should come there and it's really important that we confirm that you can get our emails otherwise we won't be able to communicate with you in the future.

Rock on!
DJ

C.Steele
QUOTE(davidjay @ May 26 2008, 01:09 PM) *
Hey Chris smile.gif

Sometimes the emails get caught even before they hit your mail server b/c certain web hosts have their own filters...if you have another email address give that a try and it should come there and it's really important that we confirm that you can get our emails otherwise we won't be able to communicate with you in the future.

Rock on!
DJ


The problem is DJ that it doesn't give me an option to enter another email. Even when I uninstall and reinstall the app it just skips right to the part asking me for a confirmation number. I had thought that maybe I could just start over an put a different email in, but it wont let me start over apparently. Any ideas?
C.Steele
OK, I created a gmail account (been meaning to anyway), added Support@showitfast.com to contacts, went in to my Getitfast acct. and changed the email address. I then went back in to the Show It Sites app and canceled out of the confirmation entry screen and got to the screen where you can enter your account email and password. I did that and it said the email had been sent and went to the confirmation screen again. I checked my new Gmail account...nada.

Sorry man, I did want to check it out but I have jumped through all the hoops I am going to.

Chris
JimCook
QUOTE(Shane Snider @ May 26 2008, 05:14 PM) *
Since Showit sites doesn't seem to be working for you, Chris... I have the deal of a century! Join SHANESITES now, and I'll give you free car! These prices are INSANE! Act now, and I'll even wash your SHANESITES car for free for a whole year. I'm really sorry that Showit Site's email is not working, but I can promise our email will NEVER, EVER be down.

Is this really what we're getting back to in the business world? Barracudas...

Shame, shame, dj.


I am totally missing the point. Why you bustin' dj's chops?
Shane Snider
How are you missing the point, Jim (you are killing me with the avi)? It's pretty straight-forward what's going on here. DJ is running a competing business. As soon as one of his competitors has a problem, DJ posts about it, and offers a discount or deal for his service.

I've been one of DJ's biggest supporters. I felt comfortable joining this forum because there was an overall spirit of friendly competition over cut-throat tactics. I have no time for people that just want to slit throats to stay alive.

This is not the first time - DJ made sure to slam his other competitor, Bigfolio, in another post. Of course, it's his forum and he can do whatever the hell he wants to do. But let's not pretend that DJ is just trying to be a good guy and help people out here. He's promoting his business at the expense of another.

This has been a pattern lately and I really can't ignore it. It would be like me targeting a local photographer if they got sick and couldn't perform or their business was hurting.

Of course, it's DJ's choice how he runs his business. But I can recall DJ promoting the book, "Love is the Killer App." I read that upon his recommendation. You should read it too, tami. Everything about this thread spits in the face of the spirit of that book. It's all about working to improve the industry you are in, not in spite of, but with the help of your competitors. The idea is that there's more than enough business for everyone.

I'm starting to think Niiiiiiiiiice is just a facade. And I'm probably the least cynical person on this forum. But this thread was anything but nice... It's so transparent and you guys are being even more naive than I was about the Tim Miller thing. DJ is not acting as the Better Business Bureau here.

Oh, and I really do appreciate everything that DJ has done for photographers. But I'm not going to be a sycophant for anyone.

out.

P.S. I am not affiliated with BluDomain or anyone else. But I can call a spade a spade.



QUOTE(JimCook @ May 26 2008, 03:08 PM) *
I am totally missing the point. Why you bustin' dj's chops?
JimCook
QUOTE(Shane Snider @ May 26 2008, 07:29 PM) *
How are you missing the point, tami? It's pretty straight-forward what's going on here. DJ is running a competing business. As soon as one of his competitors has a problem, DJ posts about it, and offers a discount or deal for his service.

I've been one of DJ's biggest supporters. I felt comfortable joining this forum because there was an overall spirit of friendly competition over cut-throat tactics. This is not the first time - DJ made sure to slam his other competitor, Bigfolio, in another post. Of course, it's his forum and he can do whatever the hell he wants to do. But let's not pretend that DJ is just trying to be a good guy and help people out here. He's promoting his business at the expense of another.

This has been a pattern lately and I really can't ignore it. It would be like me targeting a local photographer if they got sick and couldn't perform or their business was hurting.

Of course, it's DJ's choice how he runs his business. But I can recall DJ promoting the book, "Love is the Killer App." I read that upon his recommendation. You should read it too, tami. Everything about this thread spits in the face of the spirit of that book. It's all about working to improve the industry you are in, not in spite of, but with the help of your competitors. The idea is that there's more than enough business for everyone.

I'm starting to think Niiiiiiiiiice is just a facade. And I'm probably the least cynical person on this forum. But this thread was anything but nice... It's so transparent and you guys are being even more naive than I was about the Tim Miller thing.

out.


I love this avatar! laughing.gif laughing.gif laughing.gif

What I got from that post is DJ trying to explain why he may not be receive emails and I thought he did so with great tact. He could have been much more direct.
Shane Snider
Jim, can you not see the irony??? The entire thread is about BluDomain's customer service. Then DJ has a customer service issue in the very same thread! Chickens coming home to roost!

QUOTE(JimCook @ May 26 2008, 03:41 PM) *
I love this avatar! laughing.gif laughing.gif laughing.gif

What I got from that post is DJ trying to explain why he may not be receive emails and I thought he did so with great tact. He could have been much more direct.

C.Steele
By saying "great tact" I think you are assuming I was using my Blu email add. I wasn't. I used my personal email account because I know for sure I don't have any filters or spam blockers on it. Then I tried again with a newly created Gmail account, one that DJ recommends using. Still nothing. I have had friends send me mail to the new Gmail account and it works just fine. There is something wrong with Show It Sites and the way it is sending confirmation emails.
davidjay
QUOTE(JimCook @ May 26 2008, 04:08 PM) *
I am totally missing the point. Why you bustin' dj's chops?

I agree...geez Shane...mellow out dude. I never slammed anybody. I simply said that I thought charging $20+ for hosting was a lot and then this offer was about offering photographers whose sites got deleted a solution to get something up and running for free.

I think your rant is off base.

...and we are changing up the confirmation thing to make it easier tomorrow.

Rock on!
DJ
killashandra
QUOTE(Shane Snider @ May 26 2008, 05:43 PM) *
Jim, can you not see the irony??? The entire thread is about BluDomain's customer service. Then DJ has a customer service issue in the very same thread! Chickens coming home to roost!




I am so, totally with Shane on this one. Especially, since A LOT of Blu's issues have been because of their reply/start up emails being filtered by spam filters.
JimCook
Tell me what I am missing....

(1) this is a thread about blu problems
(2) Chris Steele goes off topic and says he is having trouble with getting an email from showit sites and he has a blu account.
(3) DJ, like anyone else, assumes that he is trying to use his blu email account. Explains a possible cause and solution as tactfully as he could.
(4) Shane jumps on him as being a barracuda.
(5) Chris explains not a blu email
(6) DJ reports on a fix coming tomorrow

Seems like a pretty innocent thread to me for you all to be jumping on DJ.

I think the thing is ironic is you are equating a missing email with a total loss of peoples site with NO backup. That is like saying a firecracker is like a nuclear bomb.

killashandra
QUOTE(JimCook @ May 26 2008, 06:48 PM) *
Tell me what I am missing....

(1) this is a thread about blu problems
(2) Chris Steele goes off topic and says he is having trouble with getting an email from showit sites and he has a blu account.
(3) DJ, like anyone else, assumes that he is trying to use his blu email account. Explains a possible cause and solution as tactfully as he could.
(4) Shane jumps on him as being a barracuda.
(5) Chris explains not a blu email
(6) DJ reports on a fix coming tomorrow

Seems like a pretty innocent thread to me for you all to be jumping on DJ.

I think the thing is ironic is you are equating a missing email with a total loss of peoples site with NO backup. That is like saying a firecracker is like a nuclear bomb.


1. Thread about Blu problems, that DJ clearly states in the title that Blu deleted sites, and then in first line of thread mentions a past host of his splitting (although Blu seems to be stepping up on this problem, not "splitting"
2. Chris says, "Hey I'd like to check out this Showit Sites you speak of but your system is faulty." (in this thread DJ directs to ShowIt Sites, not off topic at all)
3. DJ does not mention in anyway that it is a possible Blu/Email issue. He simply states that some email servers auto spam block (Ironicly the same issue Blu claims to have)
4.Shane calls DJ out.
the real Carrie V
QUOTE(JimCook @ May 26 2008, 08:48 PM) *
Tell me what I am missing....

(1) this is a thread about blu problems
(2) Chris Steele goes off topic and says he is having trouble with getting an email from showit sites and he has a blu account.
(3) DJ, like anyone else, assumes that he is trying to use his blu email account. Explains a possible cause and solution as tactfully as he could.
(4) Shane jumps on him as being a barracuda.
(5) Chris explains not a blu email
(6) DJ reports on a fix coming tomorrow

Seems like a pretty innocent thread to me for you all to be jumping on DJ.

I think the thing is ironic is you are equating a missing email with a total loss of peoples site with NO backup. That is like saying a firecracker is like a nuclear bomb.




I have to agree with Shane on this one, too.

As a way to help out and offer relief for those who's sites are gone we are considering opening up our service early for ONE DOLLAR a month for three months until you can get through the wedding season and make a decision on what you'd like to do for your website.


I'm sorry, but how does this NOT sound like one of those bait-and-switch infomercials on TV that everybody can see right though?

At best, it's not classy, at worst, it's unethical.
sad.gif
Shane Snider
Go back to the beginning of the thread, DJ. It's clear to me what this is about. Please explain to me how this whole thread was not about you gaining customers because of Blu's problems.

I'm really not trying to be snarky with you, but I feel like you've lost your way a little bit this year. Your business will win out over others if you have a better product and better customer service. Waiting like a shark sniffing for blood in the water does not suit you. I have a lot of respect for what you've done in your short career, but I'm really hoping you see the light on this one.

I've been a customer evangelist for you for a few years now. I've benefited from your showit web software as many others here have. I turned a ton of friends onto the software as I'm sure lots of other people have. Will you have the same customer evangelists working for you in the future if you keep pulling stunts like this?

Blu's problems - or really any company's problems - deserved to be discussed. But the matter shouldn't have been spotlighted by you because you have a vested interest. You probably wouldn't be happy if WHCC started a thread whenever PICtage has had problems. And they would have had plenty of opportunities to do so.

I've been such a huge fan of yours... not because of your popularity or your logo or anything else. I have always been impressed by your maturity and good nature and the way that translates to your business. You have a great heart. I just wonder where it's been lately.

I'm sorry if you think I'm ranting, but I can't sit back and watch as you're lauded for doing the wrong thing.



QUOTE(davidjay @ May 26 2008, 04:28 PM) *
I agree...geez Shane...mellow out dude. I never slammed anybody. I simply said that I thought charging $20+ for hosting was a lot and then this offer was about offering photographers whose sites got deleted a solution to get something up and running for free.

I think your rant is off base.

...and we are changing up the confirmation thing to make it easier tomorrow.

Rock on!
DJ

davidjay
I made a nice offer to help people who had their websites deleted and if you're happy with your current situation then great!

Chris wasn't having luck getting his confirmation code to one of our beta products and I responded to it. smile.gif

All the best,
DJ


JimCook
Ok I think we have found our drama thread for the day... laughing.gif

QUOTE(killashandra @ May 26 2008, 08:58 PM) *
1. Thread about Blu problems, that DJ clearly states in the title that Blu deleted sites, and then in first line of thread mentions a past host of his splitting (although Blu seems to be stepping up on this problem, not "splitting"
2. Chris says, "Hey I'd like to check out this Showit Sites you speak of but your system is faulty." (in this thread DJ directs to ShowIt Sites, not off topic at all)
3. DJ does not mention in anyway that it is a possible Blu/Email issue. He simply states that some email servers auto spam block (Ironicly the same issue Blu claims to have)
4.Shane calls DJ out.


1. The host splitting was another host -- not blu -- but people was confused by that and DJ cleared that up in the blog comments.
2. I see what you are saying and it makes sense that this isn't off topic.
3. I think DJ was indeed implying that Blu was intentionally blocking email from showitsites. And based on comments I have seen from here of their vindictive nature -- I found this explanation to be credible.



QUOTE(Carrie Veeeeol @ May 26 2008, 09:00 PM) *
I have to agree with Shane on this one, too.

As a way to help out and offer relief for those who's sites are gone we are considering opening up our service early for ONE DOLLAR a month for three months until you can get through the wedding season and make a decision on what you'd like to do for your website.


I'm sorry, but how does this NOT sound like one of those bait-and-switch infomercials on TV that everybody can see right though?

At best, it's not classy, at worst, it's unethical.
sad.gif


That is pretty cynical view of this... Let me make an analogy....

A photographer dies and leaves brides stranded. Another photographer agrees to provide a discount because of the issues they are having while they work out issues with the photographer's estate. Is the 2nd photographer unethical because (1) he saw an opportunity to fill a need and (2) provides a discount to them?

Ok that analogy is kinda weak -- but my mind is burned out trying to think of a come back to one of your posts earlier in the day.

EDIT: Dang -- I get interrupted responding and several posts sneak in....
the real Carrie V
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That is pretty cynical view of this... Let me make an analogy....

A photographer dies and leaves brides stranded. Another photographer agrees to provide a discount because of the issues they are having while they work out issues with the photographer's estate. Is the 2nd photographer unethical because (1) he saw an opportunity to fill a need and (2) provides a discount to them?

I see how you can take it that way.

IMHO, the analogy is more like this:

(A newsprint ad:)

Did YOUR photographer's car break down?! Well, do I have a deal for YOU! For just PENNIES, I'll show up at YOUR wedding, and take some pics! My camera's kinda new, so please don't point out if I have the thing turned 'round backwards... just TRUST ME!
ACT NOW!!


FinePrint: After I photograph your wedding, the prices will jump right back up to an undisclosed amount. You must pay this amount for me to photograph your reception. If you choose to go back to your original photographer after their car is repaired, you will loose any photos that I took in the interim.
davidjay
QUOTE(Carrie Veeeeol @ May 26 2008, 06:32 PM) *
I see how you can take it that way.

IMHO, the analogy is more like this:

(A newsprint ad:)

Did YOUR photographer's car break down?! Well, do I have a deal for YOU! For just PENNIES, I'll show up at YOUR wedding, and take some pics! My camera's kinda new, so please don't point out if I have the thing turned 'round backwards... just TRUST ME!
ACT NOW!!


FinePrint: After I photograph your wedding, the prices will jump right back up to an undisclosed amount. You must pay this amount for me to photograph your reception. If you choose to go back to your original photographer after their car is repaired, you will loose any photos that I took in the interim.
Wow.....that's really sad if that's the way you saw this...

I think you need to re-read my offering and understand their was no commitments - no price jumps no anything...simply a solution to get people something up fast.

You're taking this way to far and I'm really surprised that a small few of you have made it your mission to attack me on this.

Again...go back and read the post and the thread because the people who have read it rationally all responded days ago.

Cheers,
DJ
JimCook
QUOTE(Carrie Veeeeol @ May 26 2008, 09:32 PM) *
I see how you can take it that way.

IMHO, the analogy is more like this:

(A newsprint ad:)

Did YOUR photographer's car break down?! Well, do I have a deal for YOU! For just PENNIES, I'll show up at YOUR wedding, and take some pics! My camera's kinda new, so please don't point out if I have the thing turned 'round backwards... just TRUST ME!
ACT NOW!!


FinePrint: After I photograph your wedding, the prices will jump right back up to an undisclosed amount. You must pay this amount for me to photograph your reception. If you choose to go back to your original photographer after their car is repaired, you will loose any photos that I took in the interim.


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Now that is the funniest thing I have read all day!!!!

I think this is turning into the "is the miley cyrus photo skank porn" type of discussion where both sides can see things differently. Was it a case of DJ providing a helping hand to people in need due to a competitor's mistake -- or was it a case that DJ was being "a barracuda" capitalizing on a competitor's mistake. DJ says it was the former and I believe him. Regardless of which it was, it isn't unethical or sleezy.

EDIT: Dang it -- I am a slow typer tonight -- people are sneaking posts in on me. mad.gif

EDIT EDIT: Fixed grammar errors before the grammar police caught me.
C.Steele
Holy wow! You guys are hardcore!

Thanks DJ for looking in to the issue. I'll try again tomorrow and see if I can get in. Maybe I should just PM you if I have further problems?

For the rest of you tearing the guy apart...step away from the computer, take a deep breath, and chill. You have got this thing so derailed and so out of proportion it's insane.

You guys are basically saying no one can do an act of goodwill unless they have absolutely nothing to gain whatsoever from it. Really? What about all the companies that shipped water and food to the hurricane Katrina victims with their big ass banners all over them and made commercials about it. Were they trying to cash in on what they were doing? Hell yes they were, but you know what? People got much needed food and water and it wasn't any less real to them because of banners and commercials. Those companies donated hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of product to help people. If they gained some customers as a result, then good for them.

I'm willing to bet there are some of you posting in this thread that give your clients "discounts" or even give away free sessions under the guise of "hooking someone up." I know of a couple of photographers that even shoot a wedding a year for people that can't afford it. I have no doubt that those people do things like that to truly help people. But don't tell me that knowing those people will sing their praises to anyone that will listen from here to eternity doesn't help too. Seriously. You all know that when you "give" something away or "discount" something that it will not only make you feel good because you helped someone out, but it will help your business long term as well. Right? Right.

DJ never slammed Blu in his original post that I can see. He simply said, "Hey I know this happened, I know some of you probably read my blog, I will extend this offer to help out if you need it." The end. The only sharks I have seen posted after him.
JimCook
QUOTE(C.Steele @ May 26 2008, 10:32 PM) *
Holy wow! You guys are hardcore!

Thanks DJ for looking in to the issue. I'll try again tomorrow and see if I can get in. Maybe I should just PM you if I have further problems?

For the rest of you tearing the guy apart...step away from the computer, take a deep breath, and chill. You have got this thing so derailed and so out of proportion it's insane.

You guys are basically saying no one can do an act of goodwill unless they have absolutely nothing to gain whatsoever from it. Really? What about all the companies that shipped water and food to the hurricane Katrina victims with their big ass banners all over them and made commercials about it. Were they trying to cash in on what they were doing? Hell yes they were, but you know what? People got much needed food and water and it wasn't any less real to them because of banners and commercials. Those companies donated hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of product to help people. If they gained some customers as a result, then good for them.

I'm willing to bet there are some of you posting in this thread that give your clients "discounts" or even give away free sessions under the guise of "hooking someone up." I know of a couple of photographers that even shoot a wedding a year for people that can't afford it. I have no doubt that those people do things like that to truly help people. But don't tell me that knowing those people will sing their praises to anyone that will listen from here to eternity doesn't help too. Seriously. You all know that when you "give" something away or "discount" something that it will not only make you feel good because you helped someone out, but it will help your business long term as well. Right? Right.

DJ never slammed Blu in his original post that I can see. He simply said, "Hey I know this happened, I know some of you probably read my blog, I will extend this offer to help out if you need it." The end. The only sharks I have seen posted after him.


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C.Steele
You know what? While I was typing that I got an email from Show It (Todd) apologizing for the problems and gave me a code to use. Then said they are working on making it easier from here out.

That is customer service.

My email to Blu that I sent over 3 weeks ago about something that was concerning me has yet to be answered...
JimCook
QUOTE(C.Steele @ May 26 2008, 10:39 PM) *
You know what? While I was typing that I got an email from Show It (Todd) apologizing for the problems and gave me a code to use. Then said they are working on making it easier from here out.

That is customer service.

My email to Blu that I sent over 3 weeks ago about something that was concerning me has yet to be answered...


Yes, Todd is freaking awesome!

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davidjay
Rock on Chris!
JesseWeldon
I thought this was a place for nice people?


bobbyearle
This really is a case of poor critical thought. DJ can offer a genuine hand of help that could also benefit his business.

It's that simple.

Bobby
Shane Snider
I definitely think this is one of those agree to disagree things.

My post was not meant to be a blind attack on DJ, and I wasn't trying to play devil's advocate. There has been a standing unwritten rule on the forum that competitors should stay out of each other's posts.

That's the last I'll say on the issue. I need a little OSP break. Too much drama...
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