Just FYI, Mitt Romney just quit his bid for the White house.

Discuss amongst yourselves.....

Edit: In watching his bowing out speech, I must say this is the most sincere I've seen him. Could be part of the reason why he just couldn't get the support he needed.

"If I fight on in my campaign, all the way to the convention, I would forestall the launch of a national campaign and make it more likely that Senator Clinton or Obama would win. And in this time of war, I simply cannot let my campaign, be a part of aiding a surrender to terror," Romney told the Conservative Political Action Conference in Washington.

This makes me so furious, idiot Americans playing up the terror-card against Democrats, especially since said war was conducted under false pretenses and created more problems than we had before.

I saw this coming because of the real reason he's in the race. I could be cynical and say "it's easy to quit when you're getting your butt handed to you" but I honestly believe Romney only ever wanted to be a VP candidate. He just said to the Republicans "we can win if you decide it's McCain & me NOW" Good strategy and great ideals he's supporting.

mitt just seems like a creepy, overlypolished person. he has always rubbed me the wrong way.

if you have a chance search for mitt romney and "who let the dogs out" on youtube to view an incredibly ackward exchange with some urban youth lol

Wow... he's smarter than I thought he was.
Now only if McCain would quit too.

(I would love to see Obama and Clinton bow out as well)

LOL, Johnny, at least we know where you stand....

Agreed, he's like a slimy preacher. All plasticky...no substance. I never felt I could trust a word out of his mouth (like most politicians unfortunately). As far as Repubs go, I'd rather it be McCain than any other. Maybe for the simple reason that even the conservatives in his party don't like him because he doesn't tow the line-He's almost an independant by today's standards of either extreme right or left. And for this reason alone, I like him.

We definitely don't need another war mongering republican conservative in office now, we need a 180 degree turnabout in how things were destroyed in the past 8 years. I want to see a sweeping change, a revolution if you will. Not that I'm holding my breath but I think we have a chance here for real change, and not just another Bush/Clinton/Bush/Clinton. Yep, I'm voting for Obama, and damn proud to say it. Only the future knows how it all will go but at least I have hope.

I'm registered as a Republican but I will be voting Dem in the election IF it's Obama. If it's Clinton, I'll vote McCain or Libertarian.

Is it that obvious!?

As a funny side-note - I just purchased the URL libertymonkey.com
becase a friend of mine said to me - "Johnny, you're such a liberty monkey".
As for what I plan to do with it... um... hmm... something about primates that want freedom? ...not sure yet.

That's the exact piece of this article I wanted to pull. Wow. I used to live in Boston... I was actually hoping he'd fight McCain to the end, because he's completely unelectable as president and I think it would help dems take office. Unfortunately I think some of the VP talk is probably 100% accurate. That man should not be in the White House. Comon Ron Paul!

Yeah going with that logic it is to bad Huckabee couldn't have come out on top. That guy is totally unelectable, and borderline anti american if you ask me

There were rumours up here in the north that our governor of Minnesota Tim Pawlenty could be a possible VP canidate but I think to really win votes in the south (especially if Obama makes it through) they could use a guy like Mitt.

Johnny, you are a nutcase!!

Nutcase or not... I still love you!!!

I'm as far RIGHT as a non-religious person can be...


What's scary is that I'll have to decide between two far left liberals this fall. McCain or the Dem.



PS: LIBS: if you don't like the current war... don't worry. you'll get all of your other programs handed to you on a silver platter by the Non-Reaganite McCain -- isn't that worth a Hawk in the whitehouse?

I keep hearing that...



HEY! My doors don't swing that way! LOL!

I think the former MN governor should run.....Jesse Ventura !

Phil, I couldn't disagree more. But you'd expect that from the wife of a serviceman who has fought in the "said war".But I do agree on this....he just doesn't seem real.Yeah, nobody said he's not smart. I think his business background could be an asset if he'd just support the FairTax.

If I HAD to elect a Dem, it'd be Obama...no question. I like him, I just absolutely don't agree with over 50% of his political goals.

Hmmmm....

The only major conservative issue he's supported is continuing to be a hawk (kind of) in the war on terror. Otherwise lets look at his record

McCain Feingold = Liberal left assault on free speech -- also known as "The Incumbant Guaranteed Reelection bill"
McCain Kennedy = Open Borders and FREE ACCESS (EG Amnesty!) to people who broke our laws to come into our country. BROKE OUR LAWS to reap the benefits of this country
McCain Liberman = Global Warming ... lots and lots of new taxes - screw American business.
Voted against Bush tax cuts!

Hmmmm ... yep right down the middle on all of those. NOT! (Those are all LEFT wing agenda items)
<sarcasm!> He's definately a good candidate for the conservatives. </sarcasm!>

NOT!

Like I said, IF McCain gets the nomination, it'll be a choice between two liberal agendas. McCain's only hope to win in November is that Hillary gets the nomination, and the far right's hatred of her gets the right wingers to hold their nose and vote McCain.

For many Repubs, I think it's just come down to "who can beat a democrat" b/c few people are actually 100% thrilled with any of the choices...they just know they don't want Clinton or Obama in the White House b/c they can not agree with their policies at all.

Hi Megan,

Few people are ever 90% satisfied with their party's candidate.

Unfortunately, with McCain as the nominee, you'll probably see a negative turn out on the republican side, like you haven't seen since Perot ran the first time. The only hope to get him into the whitehouse is that Hillary's negative turn out is greater than McCain's.

PS: Why does the liberal left wing media like McCain so much?

For the same reason Reagan liked Sandra Day O'Connor.

"She's a woman nominee!"

"He's a Republican! (teehee snickering)"

I should watch the news more... WOW... I'm shocked! I do like McCain... i like anybody who's MODERATE at this point. I'm tired of extreme people.

Don't you mean... "he's a liberal with "Republican" after his name?"

The sad thing is that McCain, Obama & Clinton are all members of the CFR and Huckabee has a strong endorsement from them as well.

And THAT is not a good thing for America.

A vote for anyone in the CFR is a vote for one side of the same coin... we will only progess further down the path we have already gone.

Obama & Clinton support the murder of babies - nobody who claims to value life (of ANY sort) can vote for those murderers. If you are a person who claims to be a Christian, a vote for anyone who supports abortion is a vote for murder. All the blood of the innocent will be on your hands.

ummmmmmmmmm then who's left.....Huckabee???

Half of the people who voted for McCain in Florida thought he was AGAINST the war in Iraq. Further proving my suspicion that presidential primaries bring out the dumbest of the dumb who love voting because it makes them feel speshul but really don't know a thing about politics. I've gone door to door to about 1500 houses in my area and 80% of the people are incredibly uninformed I was shocked. Most people couldn't even answer a simple question like, "What three issues are important to you as a voter?" They begged me to list things for them, which I didn't because it'd influence them. Finally they might toss one thing out there like, "...The war!" or "Immigration!" When I said that they needed to be specific about whether they were for or against those things, they got this, "Oh crap!" look on their faces and tried to decide then and there where they stood on it. Some of them said, "BOTH! Yeah. Put me down for both!" or "Well, it's such a...a...complex issue. I'm not sure where I stand."

These are the people who show up on election day, often because big money lures them there with a "We'll buy you dinner!" one liner.

Pat Buchannan said many months ago that if McCain gets the nomination, it'll be the end of the Republican Party. I couldn't agree more. McCain is a Politician, captial p, but just because someone has a R next to their name doesn't make them a Republican. Even if he *could* beat a Democrat (which I seriously doubt for many reasons), the GOP should not feel happy with themselves about it because they will have sold out nearly every principle that made them conservative to do so. There was a time when being Republican meant more than saying "God Bless America" and "I hate Hillary" in the same sentence. There was a time when it meant more than "The Democrats are against it, so we're for it!" partisan fervor that abandoned all logic and most importantly -- all real concern for the American people.

McCain is the guy who said that the First Amendment didn't matter. He's the guy who said that he'd lower interest rates to 0% if he could and wants to leave it up to "other people" to "figure out" economic policy. He's the guy who said that he'll turn Iraq into a 100 Years War if he has to. He's the guy who created campaign finance reform and then proceeded to hypocritically borrow MILLIONS of dollars when his campaign was tanking without blinking an eye. He's the guy who never saw heat for being part of the Keating Five scandal. He's for amnesty. He's for gun control. And yet all he has to do is go on a comedy program, say a scripted joke and tell the American people that he really is a conservative and "presidential material" and that's that.

I was never a fan of Mitt, but it's funny because as liberal and wishy washy as Mitt has been on many issues, McCain and Huckabee make him look pretty good. I'm very disappointed with Mitt not because I wanted to see him get the nomination but because he is basically endorsing...or maybe in today's election system, crowinng John McCain as the party's nominee when the friggin' primary process has hardly begun.

I spent all day yesterday searching for "Great Moderates in American History" at the library.

Tried it on Amazon as well.

Carrie... I really don't mean to pick on you. But, can you define three moderate platform planks? Please help me understand what a "Moderate" is? Is it someone who only wants to fight half a war? Is it someone who only wants to raise taxes on half the rich people?

We've got two major political parties. Not three (Sorry libertarians). Moderate in the "media" means someone like McCain, that shoots his own party in the foot time after time, and swings to other side of the aisle on key issues that the left wing media likes.

Most people in either party, will swing the other way on a few issues... but McCain isn't moderate. It's liberal on almost every issue except right to life and the war on terror (even that is tempered -- ie Club Gitmo).

Politics is not about getting along in anything except a tragic time (9-11 or Katrina) Politics is about advancing the ideas that you believe will make the country strong and better the safety and security of the people of that country.

McCain is talking now to the conservatives. Gotta Go Watch.

Good Lord - No.
The ONLY person who I (and others) personally feel could actually get us close to getting out of the mess we are in is Ron Paul. But he isn't CFR and actually talks about how bad the CFR is that he isn't getting the attention he deserves.


Edit to add**

Hope, everyone knows that you and I disagree on many things religiously based. But I just have to say that what you wrote is awesome! You are very good at getting the information out clearly. Well done.

No, Huckabee shares many of the same liberal tendencies as John McCain. Try the only true conservative running right now: Ron Paul. He doesn't have a "I'm so cool I'm a veteran," or "I'm so cool I'm a preacher," or "I'm so cool, look at my Dapper Dan hair," schtick, but he has something the others do not. A message that seeks to posit real solutions to the problems we face.

I'm really tired of looking at the stuffy, yet attractive blonde that stands behind McCain. Is that his wife or his daughter?????

hmmmmmmmmmmm, so he's still running? Did he win any delegates?

Wife I think.

I'm yelling and throwing pillows at the TV while McCain is on.

Oh well. gotta get it out of my system now.

It's gonna be along four years.

Yep, he's still running and he's in third place with delegates right now I think. He certainly has more cash on hand than any other candidate on the Republican side, so the campaign has a lot left to do long before November. We still have many, many more states to hold primaries, and also many states do not have a "winner takes all" delegate system so the race is far from over yet.

Ron Paul has 14 delegates

Romney 293
Huckabee 190
Mac the Liberal 703

Ron Paul has an estimated 42 delegates (source). Romney is no longer in the race, putting him in third. The Fat Lady is not singing yet.

You are correct about that, Troy...a very long 4 years...*sigh*

I don't feel picked on... but I don't understand your question, either... or the concept, i suppose, of *wanting* an extremist to run our vast and varied country. I could get real 9/11 on ya and talk about what extremists from other countries have done to our world.

I want our leader to be level headed, intelligent, well-informed, and moderate. I want the moderate thing becaues this country is *NOT* all bible-thumpin' conservative republicans, nor is it all bra-burning, liberal democrates. Most of us, the VAST majority, fall somewhere in the middle. We appreciate moderation.


I don't wanna bomb every country that the president doesn't like, but I believe that war is sometimes the right thing to do.

I don't wanna pay a welfare check to everybody who doesn't want to work, but I also understand that there are times when a country should help out their citizens finacially.

I don't think that the Bible makes room for two men to marry, but I also don't believe that the government should mandate what we do and don't do in our bedrooms, who we wish to share our lives with, and who we leave our money to when we die.

I think our boarders should be controlled, but I also KNOW that the right thing to do at this point is not to deport 12million+ people who have been supporting our economy since the border with Mexico was established.

Of course, there are myriad other issues, and for most of them, I think the best answer lies somewhere in the middle of either extreme.

Council of Foreign Relations? What other CFR is there?

No, all the blood of the innocent will not be on my hands, it will be on the hands of the people who choose to have an abortion and the ones who perform the procedure. Between them and God....for no other to judge. This is THE thing it comes down to.... are you willing to stand before Him and answer for your actions?

I am Pro-life personally, but pro-choice politically (this is where Huckabee and I part ways)....NO ONE else has the right to tell me what to do or not do with my body. NO ONE but God. So any choice I would make would ever be anyone else's business. It is a slippery slope to get government involved, because (hypothetically) a government that is given the power to forbid an abortion could easily, in the future, start saying I have to have one for one reason or another (population control, not the right sex, race, etc).

If all of us Christians would stop preaching hate to those around us who don't agree/understand we would be MUCH more capable of reaching them on this very important topic. The 'flies to honey' thing...... I know God hates abortion. That should be reason enough for someone not to have one. Not because some one else doesn't approve. Not because their government doesn't approve. So if you want to say "Please don't kill your innocent baby, we will help you through this and love you with a Christ-like love" by all means, but spouting the "you are a murderer" line won't actually help any endangered babies out there. That is, by my estimation, the most important thing.

*Whew* Johnny, you know I have the utmost respect for you and the majority of your views, but I am squarely on the opposite end of the same side with you here. Sorry, but you pushed my button.

Ginger,

While I totally agree that it isn't the govt's place to dictate how ANYONE should live their life, it is a simple matter of law.

First, lets look at this quote from our Declaration of Independance.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

I know that you and many others will agree that this statement is at the heart of the issue of abortion. The right to LIFE is a big deal. To deny anyone that right is murder and goes against what our founders believed to be self-evident.

If I am not allowed to go down the street and murder someone because I don't like them, or because having them live in my neighborhood is 'inconvenient' then it should apply also to the innocent human life that is in the womb.

And yes, the blood of the innocent are on the hands of all who support anyone who openly supports abortion. Read Romans 1 if you have any doubt the fate of those who support evil.

If you, (knowing that someone supports something that goes against your moral convictions), give them a thumbsup you are a partaker in their sin. You gave them your stamp of approval. You chose man over God. How can anyone do this and still think that they have entrance into the kingdom of God?

And to say that what I am saying is a message of hate... well, you just pushed my buttons. For if what I am saying is a hateful message (calling a spade a spade and defending LIFE) then I guess I am a hater, Jesus was a hater, John the baptist was a hater, the apostles were all haters etc.

Funny how the scripures talk of a time like we live in now.

Jesus said in Luke 23:28-29
"But Jesus turning unto them said, Daughters of Jerusalem, weep not for me, but weep for yourselves, and for your children.
For, behold, the days are coming, in the which they shall say, Blessed are the barren, and the wombs that never bare, and the paps which never gave suck."


Sadness doesn't even describe what I feel right now.
It is utter heartache...

I'm off the forum for a while folks. I know most will be happy about that.

I understand what you're saying,but if it is murder, then it's infringing on the rights of a unique human being and it should be illegal. Just because something is a law doesn't mean it lines up with Christian morality, certainly, but as a Christian who believes that abortion is murder shouldn't you want the law to protect all human beings?

See, I'm pro-choice. I'm pro-choice because I don't think abortion is wrong. But if I really did think that an actual viable human being was being murdered then I would have no other choice but to be pro-life. Because if you think it's murder, then it's a PERSON whose rights are being infringed upon and to still vote pro-choice is basically the same as saying, "I hate serial killers but I'll let God judge them, I'm fine with our legal system writing a law that makes them exempt from punishment because it's every person's choice to make whether they go on a killing spree."

I will.



While the message is one of a lover of life, so often it is taken up in extreme ways that make the individual seem hateful to those living with what is often a very, very hard situation (albeit one they created). It is a supreme balancing act to protect the baby while loving the one that is thinking of killing it. But I believe it is what we are called to do. And if we do it right, more often than not we can 'save' both.



Yes, it is. This scripture alone should sway those who are thinking of giving up their sweet unborn.


No, don't leave. I don't think most will be happy about it. I know I won't.

You guys must be kidding. Compared to the last four years I think anything is gonna seem like the speed of light.


And do we really need this thread to go down the pro-death pro-life / anti-choice pro-choice route? Start a new thread

"Long four years" = you're thinking McCain is going to win?



Serious question - does ANYONE think a Republican is winning, truly in the bottom of their hearts?

Talk about self-evident...

It cornfuses me that people don't see what's going on - Obama is the next President. Get used to THAT thought for 8 yrs.

Thank Goodness!!!!!!!!!!!
I LOVE HIM!

What do you love about him?

Hi Carrie,that's not moderate. It's conservative, -- as long as you put limits on the goverment involvement. Deporting illegal immigrants en-mass isn't feasibly possible. But giving government support people who broke our laws isn't good either.Other than that, based on what you wrote, you're a conservative.Don't listen to the media hype. To the drive-by media, all conservatives are extremists. So everything a conservative says is reported as being "extreme" and "not reaching out to the other side" (eg: let the liberals win).What you're asking for isn't moderate. It's compromise. In the political arena, compromise means one side loses more of their ideals than the other side loses.It's down to McCain or Hillary or Obama.No matter how it shakes out, it'll be a very long four years.Since we're all friends, and we're still in a civil discussion... Can someone tell me the difference between the platforms of Hillary and Obama? What does one stand for that the other one doesn't?

I won't be voting for a President in November.....there's no more choices for me.

Hi Hope...

Don't know what's going on... I used this source for my numbers.

Probably doesn't matter in the long though.

That's a good point. To be honest, knowing some of the rough things that presidents go through, why would anyone want to be president!? I'd settle for VP. Sure.

I hate talking politics, because people get so upset about it. I hope that doesn't happen here!
I'm a moderate, so it could be seen as though I agree with both the democrats and the republicans on different aspects. But at the same time, I feel hated by all, because some people choose to see moderates as people who disagree with them since we dont' agree with ALL of it.

I use websites like glassbooth.com to help me know which candidates I should be watching (Of course I'd only suggest using websites like that if you're not "set" on whoever is running for "your party.") Unfortunately, right now, I have nothing higher than a 73% agreement with a candidate on the issues I find important... And the other candidates are given percentages like 72%, and 70%... how in the world is that suppose to help me? So at this point, I have no idea who I'll be voting for. A lot can happen between now and November... including people dropping out of the running! Crazy!

My grammar sucks today... sorry.

...funnily enough, I just got an email from an obvious Liberal on this forum, telling me that from what they read, I'm really a liberal! LOL

Which means a moderate is what? exactly?