Matt,

This is why you will never be a leader on the level of David Jay. He is a moral leader as well as a business and photographic leader. Those who have Jesus on their side shall always rise.

~~~~~
(name omitted because even I can't call someone out that badly)
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That's the funniest PM in the history of the world. I'll answer publicly because hell, it's FUNNY.

Dear ~~~~~,

I thought I would never be a leader like DJ because he's far my superior in charisma and talent. Who woulda thought it was because I don't believe the same crap you do.

Love,
Matt

Though the pm that was sent to you was inflammatory in nature and kinda sucked , so is referring to someone's belief system as "crap" especially when there are many Christian's on this forum who don't feel that what they believe is "crap".
-Or- possibly you used the word "crap" as a euphemism for "stuff" which makes it altogether different.
Angela

stuff.

but yeah I'm kind of inflammatory by nature as well so it's all good.

wwdjd?

(sorry, couldn't resist)

That was stupid. I'm a Christian & I'm offended by the mysterious PMer's message. Where'd they find that stuff in the Bible? Geez....

Ahh.

<< but yeah I'm kind of inflammatory by nature as well so it's all good. >>
yeah, me too :/

Probly something nicer than post the PM on OSP. lol

I dunno though, seriously....can't we all just get along. I think I'm gonna ban myself for awhile.

Anyone else? lol

He's probably a fan of mine rooting for me to beat you in Week 1 of Fantasy football (I got rid of the wrong Steven Jackson, so I'm sure to beat you).

WOW, thats all I have to say. Whoever you, RUDE!!!

On a side note...when you make a post and make a word bold, check out what pops up before the word, before you submit it. Becker is everywhere.

oh my. that is just too funny.

Sad. Both the pm and the fact that you posted it for the public to see.

Time for everyone to walk away and cool down I think.
Whoever sent the PM needs to pray and shake the dust - while Matt, you should have just kept this to yourself.

Have a great weekend everyone.

I did that for a couple of weeks, came back at the beginning of this week and all hell broke loose by the end of it!

yah, i have to admit, this is getting out of hand and sad. its creating a dividing line which shouldnt be here.

Ehh, sometimes you have to call people out, even discretely, to make your point. Come on people, keep that junk to yourself. Makes me embarrassed to be a Christian when people pull this garbage.

Why would I have done that?

Should I have because it's got some sort of "right" to it?

Should I have because it's heated around here right now?

Should I have because it was a PM not a public post?

I think I should post it because it was mean and I want the person who wrote it to feel really bad that they wrote something so awful because they disagreed with me as a person on religion or something. That's silly - you and I have disagreed and stayed friends, people who can talk about this stuff at least semi-rationally. Obviously this disgruntled person felt they should write that to me too. lol

Oh well. I'm outta here! Cya all on like Tuesday or sumpin!

I understand your point Matt, and can really feel your frustration.


Anyway, do have a great weekend and we'll see you on Tuesday.

I think we all know (or at least I'm pretty damn sure I know) who it is anyway! Seriously ridiculous and hypocritical.

Some people are not even worth the effort. I'd like to have to ignore such garbage, but I only get a pm every 2 months..... hint hint nudge nudge :-)
At least lots of nice people offer me fake swiss watches, blue pleasure pills and and incredible stock exchange tips by email!

no no no no and more no. really - i didn't want to name names because I thought *that* was a jerk thing to do. but honestly it was NOBODY from the other thread. i dont really even know the person and they don't post much. It was NOT johnny, mike or the other guys in that thread. I just wanna be clear on that - the dividing lines are already sucky and I wish they'd go away - but I do want to say it wasn't a regular.

I had a suspicion that it wasn't a regular or you wouldn't have put this post up! Glad you cleared things up.

An important part about this situation is that we're reading the PM out of context, it seems. Sounds like there is more to the story and knowing what instigated the PM might help us all "understand" (not make it right or excuse the behavior) how to respond.

In no way do I condone the behavior of the PMer, because, as a Christian myself, that is not IN ANYWAY a proper thing to say or think based on what our beliefs teach us (Christians as a whole get taught the base similar things, not talking about any specific religion).

I DO, however, understand why Matt posted the PM (sans authors name) and stand behind him for doing so. If we all sweep hatred (strong word, maybe there is another that's more appropriate but I'm using this one for now) under the rug and pretend like it never happened we'd be doing justice a disservice.

Hatred shouldn't be protected when directed toward the innocent (I'm not saying Matt is innocent, not knowing the full story, but nobody should be allowed to spew hatred even when we think it might be deserving... that's the point where we need to look into ourselves and not allow ill feelings fester and become "just like them", if that fits).

I might've misunderstood Matt's intention, but when I read "Who woulda thought it was because I don't believe the same crap you do," I am reading crap not as a derogatory remark toward Christianity. I see it from a non-Christian who's just been bashed on. Who would want to be Christian if "Christian's" say/believe the things the author wrote?

Matt shouldn't be defending himself but I will

Do we need a "Dear silly PMer" note from Jillian?

SOPHIE ABSOLUTELY LOVE YOUR NEW AVATAR! STUNNING

I did definitely mean "stuff" and not crap... by "the same crap" I mean "I believe different crap." LOL Or stuff.....so yeah. I meant to say another word, but then Dan would PM me to change it.